Episode 002: Ray Carr – Tracking Carl Gugasian, FBI’s Most Prolific Bank Robber

JERRI WILLIAMS iTUNESRetired agent Ray Carr served twenty-five years with the FBI.During his career Ray served as the Primary Coordinator for the FBI Philadelphia Division, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime and the Philadelphia Hostage Negotiation Team.  In this episode of FBI Retired Case File Review, he reviews his training as a hostage negotiator and profiler in the field and his investigation of Carl Gugasian, one of the most prolific bank robbers ever investigated by the FBI. The case features hidden bunkers containing stashes of cryptic maps, weapons, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, and thousands of dollars in cash.

Additionally, Ray Carr was a Certified Police Instructor providing instruction to federal, state and local law enforcement officers in the areas of Crisis Management, Criminal Profiling, Hostage Negotiations, Psychology of the Criminal Mind, Forensic Crime Scene Analysis, Death Scene Investigation, Forensic Interviewing and Criminal Investigative Analysis. Currently, he is the Director of the Wilmington University Criminal Justice Institute which provides research, educational programs, professional development training, and consulting services required to assist the community in fighting and addressing the growing crime problems and public safety concerns. He is also an adjunct instructor at Drexel University, working in the Masters of Forensic Science and Criminalistics Program.

Special Agent (Retired)

Ray Carr

4/3/1989 – 12/31/2014

Ray - NA Counselor
In 2012 Ray Carr served as a counselor for Class 249 at the FBI National Academy in Quantico, VA.











Carl Gugasian

The highlight of the interview with Ray Carr is his case file review of the infamous hunt for an unknown Friday night serial bank robber, Carl Gugasian.







How two boys helped the FBI find the Freddie Krueger-loving ‘Friday Night Bank Robber’

Worlds Greatest Bank Robber

—Retired Agent Ray Carr episode 002, Carl Gugasian, Tracking FBI’s Most Prolific Bank Robber. Here’s an excerpt from the episode:

“When there’s an unsolved homicide, an unsolved rape, an unsolved tampering with products, then threat assessments, kidnappings, expertise for search warrants, interview strategies—all these different things—are things that are worked out of the National Center for Analysis of Violent Crime down at Quantico. They send agents from the field down there and train them. I had the opportunity not just to do a two-week stint down at Quantico, but I also went back for a four-week stint, and I went down for several other stints. Thirty days, at that time, working in the unit to hone my skills, allowing me to better serve the state and local police departments within the Philadelphia area. So, as they would bring cases to us, I would review them, get them ready, and then, in conjunction with Quantico, I would work those cases with the local police departments. The only cases brought to the unit are cases that the local and state agencies feel are unsolvable. So they’re bringing it and asking for us to do an analysis, looking at the behavior that’s occurred within the crime scene and the behavior exhibited by both the victim and the offender. So, although we can’t give them a name, we can give them the type of person they should be looking for based on the interactions that occur within the crime scene. The opportunity and the chance is to make a difference; what everybody and all your listeners see on TV, what they watch, we get to live firsthand. It’s like having a ticket to the greatest show on earth.”
Ray in Swat Gear
Ray rappelling during training at Indiantown Gap, PA.









Ray at Desk
Ray in the early years at his desk in the Squad 10 bullpen.










Ray Escorts Ellen Devers
Parental kidnapping suspect Ellen Dever surrenders to police, FBI (SA Ray Carr) and Customs agents.
Ray receiving award
SA Carr receiving an award from former Philadelphia Division Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Bob Conforti.











Jerri Williams

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Jerri Williams, a retired FBI agent, author and podcaster, jokes that she writes about the FBI to relive her glory days. After 26 years with the Bureau specializing in major economic fraud and corruption investigations, she calls on her professional encounters with scams and schemers to write police procedurals inspired by true crime FBI cases in her Philadelphia FBI Corruption Squad crime fiction series featuring flawed female FBI agent Kari Wheeler. Jerri’s FBI for Armchair Detectives nonfiction series enables readers to discover who the FBI is and what the FBI does by debunking misconceptions about the FBI in books, TV, and movies. Her books are available as ebooks, paperbacks, and audiobooks wherever books are sold. She’s also the host of FBI Retired Case File Review, a true crime podcast with more than 200 episodes available for free subscription on all popular podcast apps.


  1. Bennett GarvinFebruary 4, 2020

    Just now catching up on the podcast; was Ray Carr’s book ever released? What is the name of it?

    1. Jerri WilliamsFebruary 4, 2020

      The book is complete, but not yet published. The last time I spoke to Ray, he said it would be published this spring. I’ll make sure to announce it on the podcast if it is. Thanks for listening. — Jerri

  2. ArmenFebruary 20, 2016

    Ms. Williams,

    I recently found your podcast on my iPhone and have instantly become a fan. I congratulate you and wish you the best of luck with your show.

    I was interested in finding out the name of Mr. Carr’s book about the bank robbery case he spoke of on Episode 2. Can you please tell me if he has finished it yet, and what the name will be if you know? Thank you very much!

    Best Regards

    1. Jerri WilliamsFebruary 20, 2016

      Thank you. I’m so glad you are enjoying the show. Ray Carr’s book is in the pre-publication stage and it will probably be a year before it is released and available for purchased. His Carl Gugasian case will make a great read. If you sign up for my quarterly newsletter, I will definitely write something about the book when it launches.


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